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  Jehovah's Witness / ex-JW Suicide Rate?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it's no secret that both remaining a jw or leaving the wts can take a toll on mental health.

  some will suffer from depression and ultimately some will have thoughts of suicide and a few will succumb to those.. but i don't recall ever seeing any hard stats or studies on it though.

  i'm sure we all know of some people who have committed suicide but i don't know if, because you may have loose association with a much larger pool of people through the religion, that this only seems higher or maybe not be actually higher than the general population.. what i mean is, you go to a kh here there maybe 100-150 people, you attend circuit and district conventions with many tens of thousands - if any one person commits suicide then you likely hear about it and it becomes part of the anecdotal 'evidence' that is then put forward as a fact that there is a higher rate ... but is there?.

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  Black Sheep

  I know of several that have committed suicide without ever being baptised Dubs, but were subjected to the doctrines in their youth. They would slip past most statistical analyses models of Dub suicides.
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  Despite their false predictions aren't the JWs right? Won't the world eventually end & Paradise come?

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.

  it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..

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  Black Sheep

  My Dad is in an old folks home full of Christians celebrating Christmas and birthdays when Jehovah had promised him that he would be in Paradise well before now. Every promise Jehovah made him has slowly, but surely, slipped into obscurity and all he is left with is the hope of resurrection, a poor substitute for the promises that have already failed,
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  I'm Fed up and I can't take it anymore!

  by MTSman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was born in four gen, been d.f.d.

  for about eight years now.

  my father had always been a true company man, although more times than i can count, he's always been floppy.

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  Black Sheep

  Never cut yourself off. Leave that decision to them, so that they have to instigate it,

  Deal with it, and live with it. You remain here in, "This Wicked System of things", in their face, without mentioning it, but as a reminder, (the kind of obvious reminder they don't want to think about), alive and well and successful and evidence that what they insisted you believed in your youth was wrong.
  
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  Jehovah's Limp Witnesses Pointed Me to JW.org When I Was Willing to Talk

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several months ago i approached a nice young couple who were standing by a jw literature stand in my local community.

  they were pleasant and polite but incredibly stilted when it came to answering my "innocent" questions about their beliefs.

  this was the occasion of jws featuring the article headlined "is religion dying?".

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  Black Sheep

  "and this magazine brings you uptodate information on several important topics".

  
  

  Diversion tactics. He has let slip that knows he is promoting a magazine that is making a false claim. Hammer the point home with questions and refuse to be diverted. Target guilt. Ask how he feels spending his time on a public stand promoting something he knows is false.
  
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  It was never, ever, a warning work, was it?

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most witnesses i knew were exteeemly reluctant to go out in the ministry.

  but when they did, they were simply scraping by, eager to avoid conflict and just do their hour or so speaking to lonely old ladies or widowed old men.

  placing magazines in a car group, doing route calls, plodding along in the utter boredom of their responsibility to get some time on a report by the last day of the month.. this was never a warning work.

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  Black Sheep

  It was an urgent warning work when I was a kid. Now, the same people that taught me that, deny they said that and bash my character for bringing it up.
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  Beards - September 2016 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.

  it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?

  the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.

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  Black Sheep

  LOL at Cold Steel.

  I got a compliment on the state of my facial hair from my father recently. It's more Russell than Rutherford :D
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  Any Kiwis Here?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm wondering if there are any here that are from new zealand or currently live there.

  i'm going to be staying there for a month in july 2017 ... location to be determined.

  i would love to have someone i can ask questions while i am in the planning stages.

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  You won't have to worry about sunburn in July unless you're a Snow Bunny, Wild Thing.

  I'm in the North Island but get around a bit, mostly staying clear of the touristy spots. I'll try to keep an eye on my PMs.
  
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  meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.

  so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.

  now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.

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  Black Sheep

  If you want any chance of extracting your friends and family you have to do it without identifying yourself as Satan's Minion. Remember that once you do that, they have been taught to disregard everything you say. Every warning about apostates and individuals weak in the faith you ever heard from the platform and in ragazines .... your family heard that too.
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  Mouthy has Passed Away

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

  i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

  - may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

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  Black Sheep

  Grace was a sweetie and I loved her dearly even though we never met in the flesh.

  I hope her estranged family members can learn something from her strength and love.

  My condolences to her family and friends.

  Chris
  
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  A sucker is born every minute

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

  i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

  i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

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  Black Sheep

  I remember that talk too, but it was stated that the difference was months, not years. I'm sure that notion was published in a WT or Asleep! soon after and is easily found if you have a good library. I stopped attending a few months later.